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So were going to start working on ShibariCon '06 soon. So I just wanted to see if anyone had any comments or things you would like to see or have at ShibariCon? Things you think need a improvement, modified or changed?
I like feedback a lot because we actually used a lot of it form attendees to modify the event! Even though '04 was a great event, we made some majors changes and additions to '05 from the feedback we got for it. And that made '05 was even better event because of it! We already have a list of improvements and changes were going to make ’06 even better. But we are always looking for new ideas, So please email me at MorTis@shibaricon.com with any comments!
Thx,
MorTis.
I like feedback a lot because we actually used a lot of it form attendees to modify the event! Even though '04 was a great event, we made some majors changes and additions to '05 from the feedback we got for it. And that made '05 was even better event because of it! We already have a list of improvements and changes were going to make ’06 even better. But we are always looking for new ideas, So please email me at MorTis@shibaricon.com with any comments!
Thx,
MorTis.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Fri, September 2, 2005 - 12:49 PMI think me running around topless would be fun!
Just kidding...actually, I'm not kidding LOL!
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Sat, September 3, 2005 - 7:11 AMHey, I'll second that! Topless can't be bad! -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Sun, September 4, 2005 - 7:07 PMwell i am totally fine with that!
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Wed, September 21, 2005 - 12:19 PMYea......
I will be there with rope & camera in hand to try & capture you one way or another.....
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Thu, January 5, 2006 - 5:56 PMwere the pics from last year ever posted anywhere? I'm in some of them and would like to see them.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 7:47 AMWhere were you shot? Did I shoot your picture of did Valerie? Due to the 2257 bullshit we did not post the images on the site. -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Thu, January 12, 2006 - 2:35 PMHrmmm...I know Valerie shot me at least once. Not sure if you did, but I don't think so. I know that there should be at least one picture of me in the rope corset - IIRC black and red rope with purple rope basket weave. Those would probably have been in the play room or hallway outside it. There also might be a pic or two with me carrying my cup on my head but I don't remember any off the top of my head.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Thu, January 12, 2006 - 2:56 PMand also...damn for not being able to see ALL the pictures. Sometimes I hate the government and this is one of them.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, December 27, 2005 - 8:18 PMare you going to have photographers at the play parties this year? If you are maybe set up the dungeon to have both sides mirror each other and have one side for the photographers to rome around in and the other for anyone (banded or not) to have space where they don't have the flash of the camera in their immediate vicinity. I know you told me you got complaints about the flash from people at the play party. or have it like the first year where there were three different large rooms. I know that is pretty much the luck of the draw with the hotel.... -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Wed, December 28, 2005 - 1:59 PMI second that...
Let's get a private area just for photography.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Thu, December 29, 2005 - 6:30 AMya, there are goign to be no photography in the play space.
We might have a room off somewhere for photography, but at the moment offically there will be no photography in the open areas of the event this year. -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Sun, January 1, 2006 - 10:48 AMI would think that not having photography available to capture once in a lifetime play scenes for those individuals whom have agreed to have photos taken is a big mistake.
Sure, there were a few folks that were a bit disturbed with the flash that "seeped" into their scene, but i think that the majority of the folks didn't mind it. Actually, a crack from a bullwhip was perhaps more of a distraction than the flash from the cameras.
Maybe the answer would be to have a small partitioned area of the play space that would be off limits to the cameras ... not the other way around. The larger area of the play space, IMHO, should be for those who are wearing the wrist bands agreeing to have their photos taken, AND for those folks who do not mind the occasional flash of a camera but who do not want to be in the picture.
If we were to look back at the past 2 ShibariCon's, if pictures were not allowed to have been taken during the dungeon play, we would have missed some of the most beautiful, intriguing, creative, skillful, interactive, intensive, breath-taking moments in our ever growing Shibari interests.
I also believe that the past photographers have taken their responsibility with the utmost dignity and capability and have addressed specific requests from the attendees when warranted. We need to continue to place that trust in those whom we have deemed worthy to do their job.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Sun, January 8, 2006 - 5:50 PMvery nicely put! This was part of my concern this past year. I was on more than one ocassion taken by the arm by someone who did not know I knew how to do my job and do it well. I was more than happy to oblige the concerned party with a viewing of the last images taken to show there was no reason for concern and to explain that I sign a release that states very clearly the intened use of the wrist bands and my proficiency in photoshop to make anyone who I could not tell or remember the color of band in the photo not recognizable by any means.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Sun, January 8, 2006 - 6:26 PMwell i think that the idea of having no photgraphy at all in the play space would ruin it for more people than it would solve a problem for. i believe that it would do a grave injustice for those that either have no opinion, which in this case you would probably not even hear a single word from. that would be the silent majority in this case.
i was far more disturbed by the crack of the whip breaking the aumbiance of the play space than enything else. i believe that neither open blood play or whip should have any place at a rope convention. but, i'm not going to be the one to tell any one how to play.
it would be better to instead consider the privacy of those that would be better suited for a smaller play area, sossibly a few smaller areas for those in need of a little more privacy as to not disturb the silent majority.
this would also allow those with more of an intrest in doing scenes specificly for the art of photography there private space too.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Mon, January 9, 2006 - 11:35 AMI think what happened last year was that many folks got a bit frustrated because they only had 3-4 hours to cram in their own play scene plus get a chance to watch others in the play dungeon. Starting at 10pm was so late that you didn't feel like you could relax much before you had to concentrate on your own scene. That will be different this year in that the dungeon will open at 8pm and that will give everyone more time to get there full voyeurism fetish in and allow plenty of time to have a scene for themselves. Besides the time restraints anxieties, people had to literally walk over folks that were spread out on the floor because of lack of play space, and that also built into the frustration factors. I believe that too will be different this year. So, i feel that some of the short tempers that were seen and felt throughout the play space were due to a few frustration factors.
One other important issue to bring up is that what we do … what we create … in retrospect to the Japanese inspired Shibari Art … is ART in itself! This is far different than what you will see in your average BDSM conventions and dungeons. We create ART and art should be captured when it happens … it cannot be recreated when convenient … not that truly passionate spiritual energy that is formed by being in the moment! We can see all the ‘fake’ looking photos we want by cruising the Internet sites and magazines. It is rare to see that “real” moment where you actually feel that the model is actually enjoying and understanding what is happening to her/him. They are being paid to make it look like they are having fun and entertaining us. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and many times we are paying to see that pose or video, but there is a huge difference when we see it happening in real life, at the real moment, in the real energy, and able to share that later.
That is far different from what i have seen at the past 2 ShibariCons. I have seen works of ART that cannot ever be re-created in a studio or stage set. Sure, there are wonderful, inspiring, awe struck moments we see of professional models in professional photographs, but to actually capture the moment that the average ‘Joe and Jane’ create, using the skills they had just learned earlier in the day, making the ropes come to life, finding that energy and feeding off of it, widening the imagination, catching the creativity happening at that moment is something so special that it can bring tears to some who view it later. What would the slide shows of past Shibaricons be like if not to include shots of dungeon play? I just love the moments when someone jumps up and says, “that was me and Jane, oh wow, how cool was that”, and the giggles and oohs and aaws heard throughout the audience. Sigh.
This is ART of a different kind, different than most have experienced, different than most have even seen … i beseech those who are making the decisions to rethink their rules, their initial intent, and their motives and allow this special art to be shared by others and not be compromised by a few discontented attendees. Provide a small area for those who want their privacy to not be disturbed by their neighbor and their quiet serenity boxed in.
But please, do not place me in that box.
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 6:17 AMFunny thing, I really got disheartened after last year. And I feel my photography showed it as well. I was on many levels disappointed in the experience as a photographer and I did not produce images that I feel were to my top level because of how I was treated. It is not easy for me as a professional to do my job and want to caputre images when I am being berated by attendees whom have not been explained I am not some Jane off the street waltzing in to get my kicks. I did not even do private shoots because I did not "feel" into it. This year I was planning on going as an attendee with out my camera because I was so turned off by everything that happened last year including how I was received when my counter complaints about my treatment were handled. But it only takes someone like you Shevah to warm my spirits and make me want to jump in with both feet, If not as the event photographer, as a photographer at the event doing my own shoots. You speak so well and always from the heart. I can't wait to see you in May. You will be my model won't you :) -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 5:17 PMValerie,
I can't wait to see you in May!!!! What color hair shall we do this year? LOL. Yeah, i agree with you that the feeling in the dungeon last year was quite different than the first year - - for a number of factors explained. But please do not let that lower your camera, your inspirition, or your expectations. You are so talented!! We will make things happen and create that good energy all around us again. I need you there to help capture some of those beautiful memories.
Maybe during the opening ceremonies, someone can explain what actually happens when one wears a colored wrist band and if they have special requests - - who to take those to.
I am not sure how to handle the release forms that attendees sign, but that should be addressed between MorTis and the Official Photographers so that the 't's are crossed and the 'i's are dotted.
Hmmm, me... your model? Don't you remember how camera shy i am?? hehehe You got it hun!
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 7:44 AMThank you shevah,
I have recieved many requests from attendees asking for the images I shot of them, both Val & I have. Some just make a blanket request of... If you happend to have captured..... Please send them to me. Others specifically asked for their pictures to be taken during their scene. I really feel that we need to have the opportunity & space to have scenes captured officially.
Just last week I was asked by a couple to send them images from the event. Last year was difficult to "capture the moment" because of reasons stated. Play space was cramped & one scene flowed into another. I really like what we had in '04. Valerie & i had the back space with a suspension stand set up & we were able to shoot without problems & I know that we were able to capture some great images on the play floor without complaint. Flash & all.
I agree with Shevah & Dennis about the type of play for the event. I too do not want to tell anyone how they should play but... this is a rope event & I think that people should stay more on topic in the public play space. I wasn't even in a scene but having my back adjusted when the crack of the whip thru me out of my space. This whip was cracked on the other side of the space & was heard by everyone.... not often can one person interupt every scene in a play space. In '04 the only thing that broke the "sound barrier" was Shelia laughing her ass off while David had her tied down & was tickeling her. (I have pictures) The crying baby was a little strange as well but we fired the DJ after that.
So... A seperate area for photography, an area with the lights turned up for open aperature shooting or an area with hot lights set up for shooting are three ways to solve the flash problems. If we look at the proportion of people who had red bands to blue bands we will see that most want their art captured. I would be more than happy to not tote my camera around all day every day at the event but from the response that Valerie & I get after the events asking for images it would be a shame. We also do not want everyone running around with their own cameras & camera phones secretly shooting because there was no on officially taking pictures.
I would really like to come to a workable conclusion so that Valerie & i can cpature "that" momnet for anyone doing their first suspension or finally being able to rig the 3 woman, 2 man, & one small truck suspension. ;) It is too magical a moment to let pass by. -
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Re: Feed back from Shibaricon '06
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 5:58 PMLochai,
Having that back room separated for special photographs in '04 was great, and it was neat walking back there and watching things as the scene was created. It was cool seeing the different themes the rope took and the creativity that was developed. It almost took on a social environment where you could talk with others and know you were not disturbing any scenes around ya. I do think there needs to be reasonable time limits so that Jane and Joe get their opportunity to get their photo taken as well. Also, that the other photographer is in the main dungeon play space.
Lately, there has been an official photographer at some of the local bdsm events that have taken special shots of those who requested them - - all done in a private area. I even promote it at my monthly Rope Rendezvous workshops so that folks can take home a piece of memory to look back on. The rules are that no one else can be in the background of picture. Everyone understands the rules and i have had no complaints.
Isn't it funny that we reminisce more about 2004 ... that we remember more of the dungeon play scenes than 2005. What i mostly remember of the 2005 rope conquests was that kayak scene that had many Nawashi helping put it all together and one double suspension of two beautiful young ladies. I know more terrific rope scenes happened, but they just don't pop into my mind. I actually recall more of the non-rope or scenes with just a smidgen of rope used ... strange huh?
I agree, you and Val need a pow-wow and come to a workable conclusion with MorTis that will benefit ShibariCon as a whole. We won't be able to please all the people, but i think the majority will be happy. It may be too late to try to change things around to get a separate room depending on how the floor plans were made, but i would think things could still be changed concerning photos in the main dungeon.
MorTis, what do you think? Have we convinced you yet?
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